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Full series shown per disc - bad data?

Post by MaFt » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:19 am

I'm trying to link a DVD: http://connect.collectorz.com/users/maf ... ail/734077

Every time I search it suggests the full season 1 dvd as opposed to the volume 4.

I think it's this http://connect.collectorz.com/movies/da ... son-1-2010 BUT the artwork that shows when you preview the matched item show my artwork, the correct one for volume 4...

I've submitted it a number of times but it doesn't seem to be added to the database for linking.

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by Metal Martin » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:50 am

Hi MaFt.

We can only provide a full season with all the episode information (Plot, Images etc)
So we decided to link parts of a season to the complete seasons in our database.
That way you ll have access to all the cool information of a serie :)
instead of a plane volume entry without any additional info.

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by MaFt » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:45 pm

But the disc only has a few of those episodes on it. The other discs/volumes work fine.

Personally I think you're making a mistake. I want a record of what I own on what disc. They are 4 individual discs released 6-9 months apart and not a set of 4 that I want to separate.

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by MaFt » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:06 pm

I guess you don't see my point then?

Why would I want all 20 episodes being shown on 1 disc when that disc only has 5 episodes on it?

:(

I've now unlinked them all as the data being linked to is wrong.

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by XavierBlack » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:46 am

I will add a like to this... I find it very annoying... I have one Anime series that the first disk is basically blank... disk 2 has all the information... disk 3 and 4 are basically blank...

accuracy would be nice... also if I want to change this in my side I can't do it easily as I can't copy episodes form one disk to another...

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by Alwin Hoogerdijk » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:32 am

MaFt wrote:I guess you don't see my point then?

Why would I want all 20 episodes being shown on 1 disc when that disc only has 5 episodes on it?
The problem is: we simply don't HAVE that kind of data.
We have no way to know which episodes are on which disc for each released edition of the TV Series on DVD/Blu-Ray.

So what we did is just list the episodes for the TV Series per season, so that you at least get all the cool episode data (titles, pics, plots, cast&crew, etc...).
After all, dragging the episodes to a different disc in your local Movie Collector database is easy...
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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by Alwin Hoogerdijk » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:32 am

XavierBlack wrote:accuracy would be nice... also if I want to change this in my side I can't do it easily as I can't copy episodes form one disk to another...
You can. Just drag and drop to the disc tabs.
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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by MaFt » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:44 am

Alwin Hoogerdijk wrote:The problem is: we simply don't HAVE that kind of data.
We have no way to know which episodes are on which disc for each released edition of the TV Series on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Yes, you do actually. I submit it to you whenever I get a new disc that has episodes on it. Or am I just wasting my time? I don't understand how whenever people complain that data is wrong you tell them to submit the corrections but then when we submit all the data to you you tell us that you don't have that data...
Alwin Hoogerdijk wrote:So what we did is just list the episodes for the TV Series per season, so that you at least get all the cool episode data (titles, pics, plots, cast&crew, etc...).
To be honest I don't care about all that. I just want to know what is on the disc/movie that I bought. When I linked 'Batman Begins' you didn't automatically ad 'all the cool ... data' about the other films in the series - and rightly so, because it's not on the disc/movie that I bought. SO why then do you do it for this series?
Alwin Hoogerdijk wrote:After all, dragging the episodes to a different disc in your local Movie Collector database is easy...
Yes, it is. BUT then when you subsequently link that next disc you add all 20 episodes to the end of that leaving me with 24 episodes for that disc and having to mess about removing all the extra that has been added. Then we also have the problem of down-syncing to the mobile apps - regardless of what's in my local database you will still send all 20 episodes for each disc to the device. Is there really no way to link only part of the series data? I.e. I link it to a series, your software detects this and says prompts "you have linked a series, do you want the whole series adding to this disc or do you want to select episodes?" and then I select from a list and say I want episodes 11-15 and these are linked to this disc. Then when I upload to Connect it sends a little extra data to say 'only show episodes 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 from this series on this disc'.

I know that I could always forget about using Connect and simply sync my iPhone, iPad and Androids (that's 6 app purchases I've given you the money for, as well as Buddy for Android and iOS) but the latest iOS release for CLZ Movies states that the old fashioned sync method is only there for backwards compatibility and that you recommend using the Connect Sync for future syncing - so I'm getting the hint that the old sync method will be removed at some point. If or when that happens I will have to use Connect to sync, but when it works this way I can't / won't.

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PS - sorry if this is a rant but it's been doing my head in these last few days trying to work out how to correct the errors...

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by Alwin Hoogerdijk » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:10 am

MaFt wrote:Yes, you do actually. I submit it to you whenever I get a new disc that has episodes on it. Or am I just wasting my time?
We do not use that data from submissions. Because all episode data is stored at the movie/TV Series level, NOT per edition.
The general data quality of submitted edition data is so low, that we hardly ever use it.
Many people just download an edition that is close to theirs, then edit the info and re-submit it, but sadly without changing the barcode or media ID...

So we decide to just be pragmatic and focus on the TV Series / Season level data.


MaFt wrote:To be honest I don't care about all that. I just want to know what is on the disc/movie that I bought. When I linked 'Batman Begins' you didn't automatically ad 'all the cool ... data' about the other films in the series - and rightly so, because it's not on the disc/movie that I bought. SO why then do you do it for this series?
Sorry, but that's comparing apples and oranges.
MaFt wrote:Yes, it is. BUT then when you subsequently link that next disc you add all 20 episodes to the end of that leaving me with 24 episodes for that disc and having to mess about removing all the extra that has been added. Then we also have the problem of down-syncing to the mobile apps - regardless of what's in my local database you will still send all 20 episodes for each disc to the device. Is there really no way to link only part of the series data?
Currently, there isn't. Sorry.

MaFt wrote:I know that I could always forget about using Connect and simply sync my iPhone, iPad and Androids (that's 6 app purchases I've given you the money for, as well as Buddy for Android and iOS) but the latest iOS release for CLZ Movies states that the old fashioned sync method is only there for backwards compatibility and that you recommend using the Connect Sync for future syncing - so I'm getting the hint that the old sync method will be removed at some point. If or when that happens I will have to use Connect to sync, but when it works this way I can't / won't.
Yes, I think using the old Export to CLZ Movies is best for now.
Connect, and the Connect syncing, is still a work in progress and will be improved up on, step by step. Your feedback is very useful for doing that.

That said, I really don't appreciate the "I've given you money" comment. That's just not fair. You haven't "given" us any money. You have purchased software from us, which we have provided to you.
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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by MaFt » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:15 am

Alwin Hoogerdijk wrote:That said, I really don't appreciate the "I've given you money" comment. That's just not fair. You haven't "given" us any money. You have purchased software from us, which we have provided to you.
Alwin, my apologies for that, it really wasn't meant to be taken in that way. It was more a statement that I use it in a lot of places and not just the desktop app so it's a bit more widespread than editing my local data. Hope that makes sense?

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Re: Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Volume 4

Post by Alwin Hoogerdijk » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:07 am

MaFt wrote:I use it in a lot of places and not just the desktop app so it's a bit more widespread than editing my local data. Hope that makes sense?
Yes, that makes sense.

With Connect and the sync through Connect now being more important and used by more people, more imperfections in the central data and the data syncing come to the light.
Which IMO is a GOOD thing, because it will only improve everything in the end:
- the central data will improve faster, especially once Core for Movies is live.
- the evolution of Connect will speed up.

But all that won't happen in a day, and it won't be perfect with the first release of CLZ Movies 2.0 (and not in the next build either).
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Re: Full series shown per disc - bad data?

Post by MaFt » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:16 am

OK, as a suggestion then can I propose the following using http://connect.collectorz.com/users/maf ... ail/734077 as an example?

1) - the quick fix

On the link above scroll down after the episodes and it says:
Volume 4: Absolute Power
Warner Home Video (2005)

Can that first text be appended with the episodes it contains? i.e.
Volume 4: Absolute Power (Episodes 16-20)
Warner Home Video (2005)

So at least it's clear which episodes are on that actual disc.


2) the more complex route

I assume that the "Volume 4: Absolute Power" text is part of the edition information? if so can that structure be amended to include a field that stores which episodes are in that edition (based on barcode maybe?) so that where you have that information (from user submissions, or 'Core' corrections once up and running) you can show just the episodes on that edition/disc and iof no information is held it can show the entire series as it does at present?



It may also be worth adding that for a normal box set this wouldn't be an issue. For example Simpsons Season 12 - this is bought as a pack with 4 discs in it and the episodes spread across them. It's a single package, all-in-one. So this current method isn't an issue. However the Ben 10 example is 4 separate DVDs released 4-6 months after each other so there are 4 separate physical packages and barcodes - perhaps that's what is causing the 'problem'? As it's not a single set I'm not happy to add them to my database as a single set.

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